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Episode Description In this episode of the Women Emerging Podcast, host Julia Middleton delves into the complex and emotional terrain of leading through trauma with two extraordinary school leaders, Elsa and Erin. Their experiences reveal the unique challenges women face when navigating crises in educational settings. Elsa, a headteacher in Jakarta, recounts the profound trauma her school and colleagues endured\u2014an experience marked not only by distress but by a deep sense of injustice. For Elsa, leadership in such circumstances meant more than guiding a school through a crisis; it required resilience, advocacy, and an unwavering commitment to fairness. Her reflections offer profound insights into the emotional and ethical burdens of leadership in times of turmoil. Erin, leading a school in a different part of the world, shares her own encounters with trauma in educational leadership. Her story underscores the importance of emotional intelligence, community support, and the delicate balance between strength and vulnerability. Through her experiences, Erin highlights the necessity of fostering safe spaces for both students and educators to heal and move forward. Together, Elsa and Erin\u2019s narratives illuminate the vital role of leadership in moments of adversity. Their stories serve as a testament to the power of empathy, courage, and the determination to rebuild in the face of profound challenges. This episode is an essential listen for anyone seeking to understand the intersection of leadership and trauma, offering invaluable lessons for educators, leaders, and those striving to support communities in crisis. About the Guests Erin Robinson Erin Robinson is a dedicated school leader who has navigated complex emotional landscapes while ensuring stability and support for her students and staff. Her leadership philosophy centers on emotional intelligence, communication, and fostering healing within educational communities. Elsa Donohue Elsa Donohue is an experienced headteacher based in Jakarta, known for her commitment to equity and resilience in educational leadership. She has guided her school through significant challenges, advocating for justice and support in times of crisis. About the Host Julia Middleton Julia Middleton is the host of the Women Emerging podcast and a best-selling author of \u201cIf that\u2019s leading, I\u2019m in\u201d as well as two previous books: “Leading beyond Authority” and “Cultural Intelligence”. She is deeply committed to helping people from all backgrounds to find their own approach to leading. In 2020, Julia launched Women Emerging and in 2022 she lead an expedition of 24 women to find ‘an approach to leading that resonates with women’. She now leads expeditions with women all over the world based on 4Es methodology, discovered in the first expedition. Prior to that, Julia was founder and, for over thirty years, Chief Executive of Common Purpose, which grew to become one of the biggest leadership development organisations in the world.Julia is also an Ambassador for the Aurora Prize based in Armenia, on the boards of Alfanar Venture Philanthropy in the Arab World and Equality Now which operates globally, and on the Advisory Councils of Fundacao Dom Cabral in Brazil and Synapse in Pakistan. Born in London and brought up in New York, Julia was educated at French Lyc\u00e9es and graduated from the London School of Economics. 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